tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5553223153127316311.post5400836516865976571..comments2023-11-02T20:57:52.529+05:30Comments on Rajan's Take: Climate Change: New Nature Study exposes NGO’s Climate Smart Agriculture as Fraudulent!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5553223153127316311.post-80496259540515181752013-06-02T17:42:31.137+05:302013-06-02T17:42:31.137+05:30Hi Peter!
This absolutely correct - "one of ...Hi Peter!<br /><br />This absolutely correct - "one of the pillars of environmental management is the principle of precaution." The principle was meant to provide for the need for policymakers to practice foresight in order to prevent long-range environmental problems. The concept was included in the Amsterdam Treaty--an important step toward establishment of the European Union--but the concept was left undefined and was applied only to environmental policy. Accordingly it was no surprised that this pillar ended up highly misused and abused as it may be easily manipulated by commercial interests for rent-seeking purposes so much so that today its practice is termed "precaution without principle."!!<br /><br />The argument that INGOs "react to policy briefs and documents by organisations such as the CGIAR, FAO" is totally specious. INGO advocacy have taken on these organizations on several issues that clearly establishes they do not like sheep docilely accept everything the policy briefs of multi-lateral agencies tells them to do. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Rajan Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07496301416048254072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5553223153127316311.post-10064053208871126642013-06-02T13:33:13.102+05:302013-06-02T13:33:13.102+05:30My response to this posting would be that it's...My response to this posting would be that it's harsh towards NGO's that have taken it upon themselves to champion Climate Smart Agriculture. I wouldn't call reacting to an uncertain situation that obviously needs further research as 'fraudulent'. One of the pillars of environmental management is the principle of precaution. Are we to wait until we know exactly how climate science can fully predict what is going to happen before we take action, or are we to act on the general notion that climate change is a reality to assist farmers in most vulnerable areas to adapt to changes in precipitation, weather variability, increased occurence of drought, shifts of agroecosystems, etc., that even their own reports to the UNFCCC (INC, SNC, TNC) and their vulnerability studies under the NAPA indicate. Furthermore, the INGO's react to policy briefs and documents by organisations such as the CGIAR, FAO, etc. that clearly indicate the need for CSA. So why bash the INGO's? peterp paaphttp://www.gebconsultancy.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5553223153127316311.post-14586466988292860972012-07-12T08:47:20.096+05:302012-07-12T08:47:20.096+05:30Like to add Andy, a couple of years ago, Indian In...Like to add Andy, a couple of years ago, Indian Inst of Science Bangalore, India's premier science institution, fed all monsoon data for 20th century and tried to hindcast using the IPCC GCM models. They were no where near the mark. A detailed discuss on models can be found in the link I previously providedRajan Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07496301416048254072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5553223153127316311.post-30843394728741609082012-07-12T08:40:05.342+05:302012-07-12T08:40:05.342+05:30Hi Andy!
Thank you very much for taking the time ...Hi Andy!<br /><br />Thank you very much for taking the time to make a detailed rejoinder. But let me react.<br /><br /><br />1. "The scientific evidence (from basic theory and from a large number of climate modelling experiments) clearly suggests that as a whole monsoon rainfall will increase somewhat in the future and due to the expected increase in atmospheric moisture there is some evidence that rain will fall in heavier bursts. Such changes point to increased risk of flooding."<br /><br />The AGW theory states that global warming induces an increase in global precipitation through the augmentation of water evaporation. Warmer seas should heat up the monsoon winds that carry moisture from the ocean to the land. In turn, warmer winds should carry more moisture, so warmer oceans should lead to more rain. This should in turn imply that global relative humidity and evaporation levels should increase. Unfortunately relative humidity and evaporation rates remain lower than normal. This is amazing as they offer themselves as perfect proxy for global temperatures. <br /><br />In 2005, NASA boss James Hansen stated in an article in the journal ‘Science’ that confirmation of the planetary energy imbalance can be obtained by measuring the heat content of the oceans which are the principal reservoir for excess energy.<br /><br />A problem for the AGW hypothesis now is that the oceans have been cooling as measurements from thousands of Argo sensors floating on the sea indicate. So the lame explanation that:<br /><br /> “Overall, the missing heat doesn't change expectations for future climate change, because the heat won't stay missing forever. Eventually it will resurface and impact the climate system, and the recent and deceptive reprieve from rapid warming we've enjoyed will come to an expected end.”<br /><br />Indeed there is no known mechanism to account for what some describe as vast amounts of missing heat, suggesting that contrary to the AGW hypothesis, heat is not accumulating in the climate system and there is no longer any radiative imbalance from all the carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases.<br /><br />The Indian Meteorological Department (IMD)'s statistical model skill level is 22% and their new dynamic model (modified CPC-NCEP-US) is 26%. This means their odds of success is one out of 4 or 5. This is after nearly 200 years of existence. Now if the "climate smart" community has anything to offer to fill this vacuum, then this is the time they should demonstrate. No one dares to even to attempt to provide an alternate forecast. The proof in the pudding as they say is eating it.<br /><br />For all your other comments please visit my previous post: Critique: ICRIER-GC Policy Paper on Climate, Agriculture & Food Security: Climate, Agriculture & Food Security <br />http://devconsultancygroup.blogspot.in/2012/07/new-study-exposes-ngos-climate-smart.html<br /><br />Thank you Andy once againRajan Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07496301416048254072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5553223153127316311.post-78856891007092472352012-07-11T23:12:10.878+05:302012-07-11T23:12:10.878+05:30The article “New Nature study exposes NGO’s Climat...The article “New Nature study exposes NGO’s Climate Smart Agriculture as Fraudulent!” paints an extremely distorted picture of our Nature Climate Change review article (Climate Change and the South Asian Monsoon, Nature Climate Change, doi:10.1038/nclimate1495), blatantly misrepresents the science and implies a viewpoint that we have not presented and do not support.<br /><br />The article states that “climate science has no clue of monsoon behaviour”- this is patently untrue. The scientific evidence (from basic theory and from a large number of climate modelling experiments) clearly suggests that as a whole monsoon rainfall will increase somewhat in the future and due to the expected increase in atmospheric moisture there is some evidence that rain will fall in heavier bursts. Such changes point to increased risk of flooding.<br /><br />However, there is a considerable range in the magnitude of the projected increase in rainfall and climate models do not agree on the local detail of how rainfall might change within South Asia. It is often such local detail that is most relevant when planning how to adapt to climate change, e.g., in the agriculture and infrastructure sectors. These disagreements between climate models are due to inaccuracies in the way current models represent some of the small scale physical processes, in part related to a lack of quality observations to constrain the models. As we argue in the Nature Climate Change paper, more reliable predictions of the future will be made when models can better simulate the local features of the monsoon and its variability on a range of timescales – from days to weeks and more. Such improvements are the focus of current monsoon research.<br /><br />Your article also perpetuates the old fallacy that one cannot predict the future climate many years ahead while there are still difficulties at making weather forecasts in the next days and weeks. The science of climate change is about “expected changes in the probability of occurrences of certain weather events” such as monsoon droughts and floods; as models improve in conjunction with our better understanding of the physical system, we are in the right direction to reduce the uncertainties in future projections – this is doable as climate community has demonstrated the tremendous accomplishment in the few decades in understanding and predicting, for example, El Niño events.<br /><br />On the issue of Climate Smart Agriculture, of which we do not comment in our review, a cornerstone seems to be to enhance resilience and improve adaptation strategies. In our opinion, what better way to do this than improve the way that farmers adapt to variability in the current climate? The sort of floods or breaks in the monsoon that occur in recent and indeed all monsoon seasons have much larger impacts than the projected signals of future mean climate. The key to dealing with the changing climate will be to make sure that the adaptation strategies are themselves adaptable. In other words being able to adapt to current variations allows farmers and others to be able to make decisions even in the face of uncertainty in the climate models.<br /><br />Dr Andy Turner.Dr Andy Turnerhttp://www.met.rdg.ac.uk/~sws05agtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5553223153127316311.post-14980120309503353942012-07-06T12:51:45.842+05:302012-07-06T12:51:45.842+05:30Thnx Vivek. It seems we have alot in common.Thnx Vivek. It seems we have alot in common.Rajan Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07496301416048254072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5553223153127316311.post-34354986039035404532012-07-06T12:44:52.201+05:302012-07-06T12:44:52.201+05:30Yep the Anna Hazare movement, which Devinder Sharm...Yep the Anna Hazare movement, which Devinder Sharma champions, suffers from a similar unscientific approach to the problem of corruption. And the media gives the movement a free pass. Slogans are arguments in our 24 hour news culture. No one in the media demands that the anti-corruption movement present an analysis of corruption, quantify its impact, discuss the proposed remedial measures. Shouting on TV is enough.<br /><br />Good post. I consider myself an environmentalist. But you're right the real impact of climate change has yet to be studied. Before we discuss remedies, we should be spending more time and more money on research.Vivek Oberoihttp://www.hotmail.comnoreply@blogger.com